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13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
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Hi Pete,
 
Asemic writing is not really writing in the traditional sense. I would call it more of an art (like a painting).  It does not make sense the way regular written text does. There is no meaning other than what you give to it. It is very abstract and really challenges the reader/viewer to bring meaning into the work. One of my favorite aspects of asemic writing is that it can be "read" by anyone, regardless of their native language. Asemic writing "suggests" meaning even though there is no stated meaning available.
 
One of my favorite asemic written "books" is Codex Seraphinias (you'll have to search Google). It is an invented world and language. I am hoping to find an affordable copy for myself someday.
 
I am not sure if we are allowed to post links in here, but if you do a search for asemic writing, you will find a lot of examples. There are some really neat examples at the gallery The New Post-Literate.
 
About your writing: have you ever thought of just writing the fragments down for now? What about taking the pressure off yourself to produce something comprehensible, something like all the other books. Instead, allow the fragments to just coalesce into something (it could even be called "Fragments"). I know that doesn't make sense, but that's the idea. Maybe later, you will want to create different works from the fragments, or mash the fragments up together and create a unique work that breaks all the rules. I think, when we write, we get caught up in the idea that writing has to look a certain way or fit a certain mold. Some of the most influential writers threw the mold away and just wrote. 
 
I know exactly what you mean about hyper self-criticism. I have had several stories floating around in my mind for many years, but my fear has stopped me from doing anything about them. At this point, I would settle for some good fragments!  However, I sabotage my efforts by thinking that I am not good enough, that my writing doesn't deserve to be published, that I will get sued and shamed by someone whose story is similar to mine, that I will be overwhelmed if the book does well and I will have to do book signings. I basically killed my writing before it ever got started.
 
 Thanks for all of your positive comments.
 
 
 
 
 
 

13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
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Goofy,
 
I just wanted to say how much I appreciate you positive posts and encouragement. Thank you!
 
 

13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Missed Meds

Hello all,
 
I just wanted to mention (as I am sure many of you know), missed meds can be scary! I accidentally forgot to take my meds this morning, and I regretted it all day. When I was about 8 hours late for my meds, I was starting to feel really down and blah. The first thing I did was take my meds when I got home. While I was out, I made sure to buy a small pill jar to keep in my purse so this doesn't happen again. I put 2 of each kind of med in it. Now, if I miss taking the meds at home, I have a backup plan. 

13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Celebrating our Mistakes

Ok, this thread is quickly becoming about my mistakes, but I have another one to list. Like I posted on the medication section, I missed my meds this morning. I felt awful all day because of it. I was beating myself up over it (how difficult is it to take a few pills in the morning?). But, I am sort of glad it happened now since I have decided to carry some of my medication in my purse from now on. I think a lot of good will come out of this. I can see myself being delayed in an emergency or traveling and needing forgotten or inaccessible meds. Now, I will be prepared in case I ever get separated from my meds at home.
13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Your Top 3 - Advice

I thought of two more that have really made a difference in my life:
 
1) the worst thing that will happen if you make a request is the person will say "no," so go ahead and ask; I used to be afraid to ask people for anything, knowing this has given me a new boldness (make sure that a "no" answer is an acceptable risk)
 
2) sometimes forgiveness is easier to get than permission (again, use good, cautios judgment on this, sometimes the price is too high, but sometimes it is ok)
 


13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
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Hi Pete,
 
Glad you liked the asemic writing.  You seem to have a much deeper understanding of it than me. I am stuck on the "visual beauty" aspect of it and the mystery that surrounds it.
 
Like the writing you showed your psychotherapist, all writing does not have to have a meaning to a reader. It is enough that only the writer knows. I know this may seem illogical, but I wouldn't worry too much about whether people understand what you write.
 
Each person/reader brings something to the table when they interact with a work. They bring their history, understanding, etc. If a reader does not understand a particular writing, that just means that reader has nothing to bring to that writing that relates to it in a meaningful way.
 
Sometimes the author chooses to be explicit later on, helping the readers connect with the text on a level they can understand. Some of the best and most influential writers were accused of writing incomprehensible text. Only after time and group discussions and research into the references, can the original work be accessible without the author's input.
 
So don't be too hard on yourself! Your writing sounds fascinating, like a puzzle. I am sure it is more accessible than asemic writing. LOL!
 
It just sounds like your psychotherapist didn’t have the right background and experience to access your writing. Not her fault.  Unfortunately, it is painful to hear that not everybody "gets" what we write.
 
If you truly feel this way: "what I write can only evoke for me what it is intended to evoke," then you are absolutely right; you should not publish your writing. Once a work is published, it takes on a life of its own. People will see things that you never intended, criticize it, use it in ways you do not approve of, etc. But this is the life of a work released away from your protection. All authors let go of control of the piece once it is released.
 
This is not always bad though. Sometimes the readers add to the work, bringing bits of themselves into the work. It is almost like a “new work” is created through the interaction of the created work and the reader, a triangle of creation: the writer, the reader, and the new work that spawns. Sometimes this new work has more depth, is more complex, and is more beautiful then the original author ever imaged. Sometimes the reader reveals something about the work that the author never considered, adding to the authors understanding of themselves and his work.
 
I do understand that it is painfully hard to let a piece of writing go. It is like letting a child go off into the world without our protection, without our control.
 
I wonder if being an author can be a metaphor for depression. Sometimes, I hide my true feelings from those around me, protecting my "true self." Much like an author, I am afraid of rejection, afraid they will see a deeper meaning than I can see, challenging me to face a harsh reality that I struggle to deny, forcing me to accept another's point of view, not understanding me. By "exposing" myself to others, I face unwanted advice and explanations. Being open and honest to others and ourselves about our depression can be a scary and disappointing experience, much like an author exposing his work.
 
Maybe that's why I don't have any friends!  LOL! I am afraid of all of the above. And maybe that's why I only keep my writing in my head, to protect it.
 

 
 


13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
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To everyone,
 
To get this conversation back on track (about meaningful quotes), I think the concept of a reader and the quote creating a "hybrid" final product is very applicable. What “I” find meaningful may not be what others find meaningful based on what I bring to the quote and vice versa. Knowing this, I do not condemn or judge others who find quotes, like the one originally posted by Jason, helpful. That quote may be meaningful and life-changing to some, and I highly value that quote (and all quotes/writings) because of that.
 
On the other hand, the quotes that I find meaningful may just sounds weird and nonsensical to others, or even depressing or dark. I completely understand that viewpoint as well and think all viewpoints are very valid. That is what is so nice about having so many quotes, or books, or paintings, or movies; there is something that we can all relate to and be inspired by!

Here are a couple more quotes that I find meaningful and fascinating. Take them for what they are and for what you get or don’t get out of them:

"I can't go on, I'll go on.”
Samuel Beckett

"We have to dare to be ourselves, however frightening or strange that self may prove to be."
May Sarton

"Your pain is the breaking of the shell that encloses your understanding"
Khalil Gibran

“the cake is a lie”
from the game Portal

Pete, this really applies to a reader changing or reinterpreting a text:
"We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are."
Anaïs Nin

Thanks for the quote thread Jason!


13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
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Pete,

Thank you very much for posting your writing on your blog. I truly enjoyed reading it, and am continuing to turn it over and over and around and around in my mind. For me, the meaning shifts and moves, like a target that won’t stay fixed. Your writing has a fascinating puzzle-like quality to it for me. The meaning I ascribe to it is based solely on my own life and my own understanding of things. I wish I had the opportunity to sit down with you and discuss your personal meaning you put into it as you wrote. I can see this work added to an anthology at some future date, being studied by graduate students who debate what the author meant, adding their own understanding and meaning.

You may not have intended this meaning, or this may go completely against your intended meaning, but when I read these lines (and much of the text), I thought of myself and my own depression:

“Crippled bird excites our sympathy. Crippled bird excites our contempt.”

I identified with the crippled bird, feeling like a specimen being clinically observed. This is one of the reasons why I have not shared my depression, my treatment, or my need for medication with anyone. I do not want to be a source of pity, classified as a damaged object, studied and categorized, treated with condescension and aversion, or assigned a stigma. And I certainly don’t want to titillate and fascinate others as a modern day human oddity, as though I were on display at a circus freak show. Because of this, I hide and stay silent.

Thank you again for sharing with us!

“I say I can’t, but in reality, I am making a choice; what I mean is...I won’t.”
-me  :  )


13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Inspirational quote

I also want to share three quotes that I have taken from this website that have really helped me as I progress through the program:
 
"The only way to overcome depression is to experiment with new behaviors."
 
"Goals should be about doing, not feeling."
 
"If you have trouble moving from one step to another, add a step."
 
I found these quotes to be great advice that challenges my thinking. I am sure I'll find others as I work through the program.
 
I found these three quotes so helpful that I printed them out as a cover for my "homework" folder. I keep all the program's worksheets and homework in this folder. If I am ever stuck or feeling overwhelmed by the program, I close my folder and read these, and usually they get me back on track. 

13 years ago 0 121 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
What are negative core beliefs?

I am not on that section of the program yet, but I think I have one that I already aware of:
 
"Never trust anyone."
 
This makes me unwilling to share personal feelings with anyone or rely on anyone. 
 
I am not sure where it came from though.
 
I also tend to expect others to not deliver on promises (expecting them to be broken), and I don't expect to ever be paid back if I loan someone money. Because of this, I don't get too upset when promises are broken; and I loan money with no strings attached (not expecting repayment). I only loan as much money as I am willing to lose.