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13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Never realized what was "wrong" with me . . .

I remember my first debilitating panic attack: I was fifteen minutes into my 7th grade History class, the day after Halloween.  I started feeling sick and sat for an hour in the bathroom, waiting to throw up and trying to talk myself into going back to class.  Unable to stand it, I had my dad pick me up from school and didn't go back for the rest of the year.  Until two months ago, I used to have to take extra clothes with me, because my panic attacks would cause me to sweat so profusely, you could literally wring water out of my clothes.  Of course, I didn't know I was having panic attacks, but rather, I always felt like I was "broken." 
I don't remember ever not being afraid, even when I was a little girl.  I hated school and would do whatever it took to stay home: my doctor got frustrated with me and thought, for a while, that I was "faking" to get through the "tough teenage" years.  I visited specialist after specialist after specialist, but everyone kept trying to tell me I was fine.  Finally, I quit going to doctors and tried counselors instead.  I found it extremely difficult to trust them and would often lie just to get out of their office; let them believe I was progressing when all I wanted to do was pull my hair out, lock myself in my room, and just die.
Finally, at the very end of an eighteen month service stay in another state, I had a "melt down" so severe, I started hyperventilating to the point I almost passed out.
When I returned home, it took me six months to be brave enough to get into a Panic and Anxiety specialist who diagnosed me with Agoraphobia.  I felt so relieved to have a name to my dysfunction after well over a decade!
But that relief has slowly morphed into absolute frustration.  My treatment was mostly "cognitive therapy," which I hate some days.  Sometimes it will take me nearly a half hour to figure out I'm having a panic attack - I'm so used to them, in a sense.  And by then, the last thing I am able to concentrate on is how slow and even I can count my breaths or how to counter my "error thinking."  I would get frustrated when my counselor would ask me what my thoughts were that triggered the attack and what I was thinking during the attack.  All fine and dandy except my mind is racing so fast, all I see or "think" is a rush of color.  Come to find out, I have ADD also, so concentrating is already difficult without anxiety to fuel a scattered mind.
Again, I've stopped counseling and decided to try the internet.  I was so happy when reading lesson one; for once, I found somewhere that said there didn't necessarily have to be a "trigger" in order to have an anxiety attack.  Finally!  I can't wait to start these lessons, though I'm still a little wary about the cognitive part.
Is there anyone out there who's been frustrated with cognitive therapy?  I've been doing it well over a year and a half and really struggle with it.  How have you been able to make it work for you? 
I want to get better and not be afraid anymore, so I'm willing to keep trying cognitive therapy because so many people say it works.  I just need help figuring out how.
13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Motivation?

Hey there, elusivebreath -
I feel like you do, sometimes - like anxiety is just a part of me; ingrained so deep that it's no longer habit, it's second nature.  But you know something?  I know it's not.  Feeling anxious all the time isn't fun but you can do this!  I heard once that surviving isn't living and I realized that that is true.  Not wanting to go outside, not wanting to have fun because you're terrified it will get ruined by a panic attack - that's not living.  There are so many beautiful things to see and do that anxiety stops you from.  Find something that you love more than your anxiety and do the program for that reason.  I'm just starting myself and I really believe this can work . . . You sound like an amazing person who can do so much - I hope you realize that.
 
Good luck and best wishes!  Remember that you can do it, just start and roll with it from there.
13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Never realized what was "wrong" with me . . .

Dear Davit,
I think the hard part is remembering in time - because honestly, I do believe I can get better.  What's difficult is finding the trigger, and sometimes there just isn't one.  I've had several times where I'm in my home, alone (I'm most relaxed that way), with no where to go, no one to talk to, nothing whatsoever that should make me panic, and I'm even listening to good, calm music - and yet, I have an attack.  I've tried a lot of calming methods, exercise, anything to distract, but it doesn't always work.  Did you feel that way at first?
I do have a question for you - or anyone, I mean :) - you made a good point when you said that I need the coping/relaxing in place before doing exposure therapy.  The hard thing about this for me is that I've pushed myself hard to go to school and to get a full time job, neither of which I want to quit, though admittedly there are times I've come close.  How do you go about putting those coping skills in place when, in a way, I'm exposing myself to a plethora of fears and can't really back away to develop the skills necessary (does that make sense what I'm asking?)?  Also, have you ever had a hard time understanding people when they talk to you because you're panicking?  If so, how did you manage to do the relaxation and still understand what they were saying?  (again, I know that having the skills in place helps, but right now, I don't think I do . . . yet.)
 
And you're not longwinded, by the way.  :)
 
Thank you for taking the time to post -
-Elspeth-
13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
at last

Dear Sunny,
 
I shall pray for you - you are amazing to stay so positive!  I bet everything is going to go so smoothly.  I'm glad you know what to expect, since you've had it before; knowing what's going to happen often helps me not feel quite so scared.  I hope you have a wonderful time with your grandchildren and know that you are indeed inspiring for hanging in there and taking things in stride.
 
Please keep us posted . . . .
 
-Elspeth-
13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Never realized what was "wrong" with me . . .

Dear Cleo,
 
Thank you for posting.  I like how you said that we can't control the panic.  Sometimes it's hard not to try to control it - because I used to feel like accepting it was the same as saying, "well, I'm broken; so I may as well not try."  I've been trying to remind myself that that just isn't true. 
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think what you're saying is that accepting isn't being passive, but rather realizing it will be there and then letting it go and moving forward - like instead of holding on to anxiety like a wild bear on a leash, trying to get it to do what you want it to.  The harder you pull the leash to get that bear where you want it to go, the fiercer that bear is going to get and show you who's boss.  Right?  And once, theoretically, you let the leash go and start focusing on things that make you happy, or need to be done, the easier the anxiety becomes? 
Are you ever afraid that once you let go, it will keep following you (the anxiety, not the bear :)) until you take notice?  Or if you let go, that that will mean losing control?
I know those are probably silly analogies and questions, but sometimes I'm terrified of giving up control - as though that rhetorical bear will attack if I don't keep it under my thumb, so to speak.  I know in my heart that it will be for the better, but convincing my head is another thing entirely. 
 
Thank you all for being here.  You make me think of things that I never thought of. 
 
It's nice to have people who really understand, because it's hard when I try to explain what I'm going through to people who never have experienced this intense fear, because they think (and have told me) "everyone has anxieties.  You're normal in what your feeling.  You just need to get over it."  I used to go very quiet at that point, thinking maybe they were right - until I looked at myself in the mirror and saw my soaked clothes, shaking hands, and flushed face.
 
Hope to hear from you again soon -
-Elspeth-
 
13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Never realized what was "wrong" with me . . .

Dear Davit,
 
   Thank you for replying - yes, I do take some medications, and luckily for me, my family passed down the low tolerance for medication genes.  :)  The medications do help a little, I've noticed, but I guess I'm just super impatient and want to be better now.  :)
 
  I hope you're feeling better and thank you for responding.
 
You are right - I don't feel like I have a right to be happy or have fun.  I won't get into why, but I want to change.  I got the job so that I can try to move out and just have some time to figure out what I want to do, what I like and don't like  ~  however, I'm not really sure why I'm going to school.  I know it will help me get a good job, and teach me a lot, and while I enjoy learning, I don't feel very comfortable in a classroom around a lot of people. 
 
Anyway, thank you again!
13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Panic Program Group Walkthrough Kick Off

I would love to try!!!
 
I want to learn to let go of my anxieties and phobias - learn how to be a support for others here - and I hope that people will post successes and things that have helped them (especially in social situations) - and I hope that the Health Educators will help me see what I'm doing well, as well as offer suggestions as to how I can do things differently. 
 
Sorry I didn't write in yesterday - I was scared to commit in case I failed at this! 
 
Thank you, Ashley, for starting this.  It means a lot to me.
 
-Elspeth-
13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Session 1 Walkthrough

I think the thing that I learned is the difference between normal fear and abnormal fear.  I liked how it gave examples (ie. the bear around the corner, the baby near the edge of the stairs) so I could start seeing normal fear.  I also learned that a lot of my guilt comes from avoiding situations that might cause me to panic and I realized that I didn't want to feel guilty or helpless anymore -
 
The main challenge to my keeping track of symptoms is being able to write them down.  Because I work in a work intensive job, I don't have time to write down what's been happening.  I have to wait until I get home to do it and sometimes I forget.
 
A strategy that I can use . . . um.  I could use some suggestions on that one.  Taking breaks is extremely hard for me because 1 - I don't know what to do with myself, 2 - one of my coworkers might want to talk to me, and 3 - if I stay busy, I can distract myself from panic the majority of the time.
 
-Elspeth-
13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Never realized what was "wrong" with me . . .

Hey there, Anerol!
 
It's nice to meet you too!  Thank you for posting.  I agree: sometimes, even when we've let go before, letting go again can be hard.  But we'll do it, right?
 
Hello, Davit!
Sometimes I think reading old journals has helped me see how much I've grown - and sometimes how much farther I have to go. 
 
Cleo!!!!  Congratulations!!!  That's wonderful!  And you're not being cocky - you should be proud.  I love those moments when I learn something and feel empowered.  Congratulations again.
 
-Elspeth-
13 years ago 0 12 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Session 1 Walkthrough

Sweatbee, I think that is a good idea.  Like you, I don't want to miss out any more . . . thank you for the idea!