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Thanks, Faryal, for the kind words:

"I do not see these traits come through in ANY of your posts. In fact, you seem to me to be quite the opposite...........expressive, wise, down-to-earth, caring, intelligent and sensitive. I realize that these qualities shine through because you are not face-to-face. However this to me is the essence of you."
 
This is precisely why I am so harsh with myself, say such cruel and hateful things to and about myself that I would never say to anyone else. I probably do have these qualities, but I can't unlock them. Does that make sense? It's the massive frustration and anger with myself, that everyday social transactions become such sources of trauma and set the stress responses to red alert, so I just have to get away. My mind just goes a complete blank - it's not as if I have conversation inside of me that is blocked from getting out by my shyness. No. There is just nothing there at all. Just an overwhelming need to escape. I want to be insignificant, ordinary, unnoticed but there is the awareness that my silence, and I'm sure my body language as well, actually makes me more conspicuous.There is a very small 'magic circle' of people that I trust and can talk to - my partner (though I am aware that I play a part with her, and must seem distant and guarded) and children, my parents, my partner's parents. But that's all. Not even my own brother and sister or my partner's brother really get a glimpse of me, just a bland facsimile. I'm not looking for a varied and vibrant social life, or a huge circle of friends, just the ability to be myself, unselfconscious and comfortable, when I encounter social situations (by which I mean virtually any kind of verbal transaction over and above the most barely functional) both in and out of work.
 
I have been making efforts with the 'baby steps' towards becoming socially capable - trying to say good morning to the occasional stranger, passing the time of day with shopkeepers. That's okay, but if they were to start a conversation with me I would feel the need to run. My colleague at work, who has the desk next to mine, is a friendly, chatty sort of bloke, and he likes to have casual conversations while we work. I like him well enough, but I dread it when we are both at our desks - I feel like a worm crawling over a razorblade trying to 'chat'.
 
I realise that moaning about it won't fix anything, and that I won't magically wake up one day as a normal person, so I have to work at myself. But it's just so difficult and painful to do. I know that if I can mend this part of myself which is so broken, it will go a long way towards lifting me out of my depression, as this chronic lack of self-confidence and social ability is at the root of my indifferent and unsatisfying career path, and subsequent financial worries, feelings of inadequacy and failure and the whole long litany of negatives that face me right now. It's so easy to hate myself, when I can see potential in myself which I have squandered, thrown away, destroyed, with nobody else to blame.
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Hey all, I feel I got a big "D" stamped on my forehead and all my former collegues, friends, etc., can see it.  I feel like my depression shines through like the sun on a cloudless day.  I know I work hard at faking it, but I am so afraid that some da** thought will come into my head and start that anxiety, tearfulness and I am embarrassed at how scatter-brained I am and how I have difficulty finding words to not only express my feelings but just a gosh-darn word!  I don't want to appear the way I am, though I tell myself I have accepted it (the depression).  I hate going to the mall or places I will run into people I know, I feel the pressure is more than just talking with my one close friend (she can complete my sentences and knows where I am going) and my family is very patient when I can't seem to spit out a complete thought or get lost on what the topic is/was.  That's why I avoid people.

 
 

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Hi Pete,
"I am most certainly afraid. People frighten me, they frighten me rigid, make me mute and stupid."   I do not see these traits come through in ANY of your posts. In fact, you seem to me to be quite the opposite...........expressive, wise, down-to-earth, caring, intelligent and sensitive. I realize that these qualities shine through because you are not face-to-face. However this to me is the essence of you.   Here there is no judgement. I understand that out there in the real world people judge all the time. I would like to ask you to stop this by starting with yourself. Stop judging yourself so harshly. Start with baby steps if you can in your interactions with others. A simple "hello, how are you today?" can help you to build the confidence and self-esteem you need in social situations. When you are walking alone on the street and pass someone, smile at them. Do you think you can take small steps...........one day at a time?   Rose, Wildcat and Mom of 3 all had great suggestions. You have already made great friends here.   Keep us posted Pete.
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Well, yes, Wildcat, I am most certainly afraid. People frighten me, they frighten me rigid, make me mute and stupid. Couldn't tell you why, but that's been the case as long as I can remember. I'm well aware that it is the major factor in my unhappiness, because every time I avoid an acquaintance in the street, or come out of a meeting at work having been totally silent for an hour, or go wander the streets during my lunch hour rather than sit in the canteen and maybe have somebody sit next to me and expect conversation, I feel lost and pathetic, inadequate and unfinished. There's no escape from the need to interact, and every time I fail or avoid it chips away at my self-esteem that bit more.
 
As I type this, I feel myself about to start crying. I must stop. I'm not alone in the room.
 
 
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pete
you do not seem to be a solitary person.  more of some one who is ... afraid? or heartbroken?
  to me!
 
you have all these wonderful ideas to share.  and you still have a family.  you still employment.  you are engaged. you notice others around you and you notice their interactions.   you feel that loss.  you feel something missing.
  i have felt that emptiness as well.
 
Rose has an excellent idea in reaching out to your closest friend, your wife. Spend time doing a pleasant activity together. It will help your recovery and your relationship.  If your wife is like many spouses, a chance it help will make her feel good and closer to you as well.   Time with the children, where you are sharing a smile rather than irritation will be a welcome moment as well.
 
Pete, are there groups for depressed persons on your area?   At some point you might want to branch out and see what it is like to talk to others with the same functionings and the same acceptance as the gang here. 
Pete,
 We are safe not only because we are anonamous, but because if you have three rotten days in a row we know that that there might be a fouth and it is not -well pick yourself up and brush off the dust-  that is going to fix everything.  We are safe ... we are comfortable because we know.  We do not judge.  We do not feed each other the one-liners to brush off what is unconfortable.   We are all in the same boat ... only at different stations at different times of the day!
 
so a group in your area, if the nebulous future, will allow you some first interactions with people with whom you can be comfortable with.  5 minute small talk about the Canadian's hockey game against Boston, and then on to 7 minutes for the G7 leaders meeting for the worldwide economic crisis, to end with a smile on the tube running smoothly for a change unlike the weather ...  -okay in an anxiety group those with social phobias need to plan some small talk discussions or the panic sets in- in a bipolar group we get stuck trying to save the person who came in suicidal-  I have not been to a pure depressive group sorry Pete.
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pete, surely your wife is your friend, you have 3 sons - just maybe engaging with them or their friends is enough social contact for you. you can be a solitary person, there's nothing wrong with that. if you want friends though the best ones are found through shared hobbies or sports, i think. what interests you? do you and your wife play cards or scrabble or wii?
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Hiya Pete,
 
Wow, I would add something to what Mom of 3 said, but I find she said all I would and in a much more eloquent fashion. It is never too late.
 
P.S: I am glad you have come here to share with us!
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Pete,
 
Too late?  It's never too late.  I know all too well the inner turmoil you describe and it is daunting to be in that state.  At some point you have to realize that you are depriving others of you and vice versa.  I know it is painful but not impossible to share with others.  Like you said you are here, sharing with strangers, you recognize your need.
 
This is safe to some extent because we are strangers, but you still are taking risks in what the responses to you might be.  You are sharing some of your deepest feelings here, you have recently said that you shared with your family what you are going through.  These are starts.  You do not have to go out and find new friends, but perhaps there's someone you are already aquainted with and you could work on getting to know them better. 
 
Like I said before Pete, you are depriving the world of you.
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Friends? I just do not have friends (well, one ex-colleague who lives in a different country and we email each other every now and then and meet every two or three years). I went through this with my therapist and realised that the few friendships I had when I was young all ended in some kind of disappointment or failure - no dramatic betrayals or arguments, but I was content to let them all die away. Now I don't socialise, because it is too painful, in fact I actively and obsessively avoid any and all social contact, be it even casual conversation. On the tube (subway) on the way to work, I hear people just chatting in a relaxed fashion and I think "How do they do that? I could never do that. How can they be so relaxed? Where does the conversation come from?". So I never have people in my house, I never go with a friend to movies, for coffee, to the gym, for a meal....Any kind of contact with other people, in or out of work, causes me stress and pain. If I were to meet any of you good people, you would find me silent, remote, and likely think me hostile and rude, whilst inside I would be churning and desperately thinking of the right words, any appropriate words, to say to you.
My solitude has ossified into a mantra, a manifesto by which I have lived my life and fooled myself that it is strength and self-sufficiency. That shell is now multilayered, thick and strong, and now I realise that its name is loneliness, not strength, it's just too late. The only time I really had friends and was part of a group of any kind was at University 25 years ago or more, and then I was drunk or stoned every night for three years, and played the part, I can see now, of a ridiculous clown. I have held the memory of those years and friendships in my mind as a precious time ever since:
 
'I had wings to fly and a voice to sing with,
Comfortable in a conspiracy of friends,
Smoking on the back of the bus,
Giggling in train corridor,
Mild joyful paranoia of youth.....'
 
But I've just been fooling myself. I didn't have real friends, just people I got stoned with. Once we had left University and had to live real lives, sober lives, those friendships were like so much snow in the spring.
 
I have told myself for years, with a defiant set of my chin, that I do not need, do not want friends, but that doesn't ring so true these days. After all, why am I here, at this website, spilling myself to strangers?
 
It's not good, not good, and it's a major element in my state of mind.
 
 
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friends are very hard work so i find myself just pushing them away until they leave me alone i don't have many friends just one really and then the rest of the people i kno r really aquatinces. i find that i dont have the energy left over from dealing with my stuff to then deal with them and do "normal" things like going out. it takes a lot out of me and i usually end up just staying in the background for the time anyways so dont go newhere now and people just don;t understand. you cant be yourself because u feel guilty for bringing evveryone else down and its too hard to be neone else.


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