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I have been busy with school work (struggling and procrastinating because of the attacks and depression, as well as another issue that has seemed to appear), there's no way to get a refund for the classes so I'm sticking it out with the inositol and trying to do my best despite the distractions. I started having paranoid thoughts like my milk was poisoned and feeling generally disconnected from everyone and everything around me and fearing developing schizophrenia. I do not feel 'with it,' and have started recording all paranoid thoughts or other traces of odd thoughts or disorganized thinking starting Sep 30. so that if I start hearing voices or seeing things, they will know where and when this all started. (To anyone with OCD, panic, or anxiety that read the above: if I do develop some form of schizophrenia then I was most likely genetically predisposed to getting it, so don't worry that your attacks will be the cause of what might happen to me. If I got it, the attacks wouldn't be the cause.) I believe all parts of the program are relevant which is why I want to give my full attention to the program (including the homework, not only the readings) as soon as I get some breathing room from my college homework. I will check in and keep you guys updated. Thank you Davit.
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The attacks ended up getting so severe and persistent that I went to whole foods and picked up inositol. It is a supplement which is known to help with OCD, anxiety and panic attacks. Still not taking medication. The known dose to help with anxiety and panic is 6 pills but I've been taking two a day and there has been a noticeable decrease in anxiety and panic, so I'm grateful for that. Sometimes if I sit still and try to think of where I am in space and time I start getting it again, but generally I'm able to control it now. It is a horrendous indescribable feeling. I'll be sitting in my car at a red light with my mind basically bank, and I look at the sky and the street and everything around me and suddenly everything looks unreal and imaginary. I have a thought that "Wow this is it. I exist and I'm trapped on this Earth, I can't leave. The sky and the openness of the universe will always be above my head." I have this sensation that the Earth as I know it is plummeting straight down at impossibly high speeds - it is simply a terrifying certain doom feeling that lasts for about 3 seconds (3 long seconds) followed by the uncontrollable racing heart, violent relentless rocking motion (both visually and the sensation of it), feeling of loss of control, feeling of losing touch with reality, feeling of certain doom. Every time one of these panic attacks happen, it takes a huge toll on my emotional state and seeing that there is no end in sight to them, it causes deep depression after I give in to the severity of the attack. At times it can take everything from me. I try to stand out in my driveway but that horrendous feeling keeps happening and it makes me want to go back inside, even though logically I know I'm no safer inside than outside. I tried walking two blocks to the bay with my family and I could barely handle it, and I tried to pretend I wasn't really there. At first I tried to take the fear head on, but it was too powerful so I ran (outdoors on the sidewalk, away from my family) until it passed and ran back to my family. I kept walking and they were looking at me like I was crazy. The feeling I get makes me grip my side, and it may appear that I'm a positional schizophrenic while I am walking in what is the only way to cope with the fear. My mother said to stop walking that way, and I looked her in the eye and said things like "Leave me alone." or "I don't care." because it truly feels like doom and she does not understand. I told her I was going to go to whole foods and get something serious to help me. She tried telling me to take valarian root pills, and I was convinced that they were not going to stop these horrific panic attacks. My younger brother said to stop (walking that way) and I didn't even answer. Yes I feel bad about speaking to my family that way, but to give you an idea of the level of terror in moments like those, my rational thinking is pretty much non-existent. It was just me and the terror, nobody can help me when it hits, not my family, not even God, I'm completely alone when it hits. Even now sometimes it seems like only a matter of time before the supplements won't be enough and when they get twice as strong I will lose it for good. Those are my feelings on what I've been experiencing but that will not stop me from doing this program and continuing to go outside, drive, go to school, and accept the way things are in a hope that one day they will be different. I've come too far to give up.
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Thank you for the warm welcome. 
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I have a hard time getting people to accept that all parts of a program are important, they want to skip ahead to the cure without realizing the cure is the whole thing. 

So my advice is read the parts that you feel are relevant but start at the beginning and do the whole thing and don't move on till each section is done. 
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Welcome JulianTheGuard,

The only thing I can add which is along the same vein and also important is that when we have triggered the fear response we get stuck in fight, flight or freeze mode which is in our "base brain". This prevents us from thinking as logically as we normally would and it makes it hard for us to do anything but flee the situation or react. This is why learning relaxation techniques is such an important part of CBT. When we relax our minds then we shift back to using our prefrontal cortex which is responsible for logical thinking and reason. 

How are you doing today Julian?
 
 

Ashley, Health Educator
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Welcome Julian
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Please read the post below first.

Continuing on that thread. 

Now say you have a small fear from a core belief, a mild phobia. Amygdala wants to send this to Hypothalamus as a concern, but Hypothalamus finds things in memory that make this fear bigger than it is. Usually from false or negative core beliefs.  EG; So many people have died around me. So many had Cancer, so many movies I watched people died of Cancer. Throw in a core belief that says you need to believe information from outside sources and now a trigger that should have got a "just a fact" reaction from Hypothalamus sends Amygdala instructions to treat this as important. It goes in as an update to Amygdala's memory but Amygdala also says panic and Hypothalamus goes into survival mode. When it is done it is now in Hypothalamus's memory and Amygdala's, but can be updated as either an unrealistic reaction or the thing to do. So far what we have is a brain working very normal with the instruction it has. and it is simply information traveling down set pathways. The hard part comes in when you have to override the updates to something you want. Because if you don't you will continue to get the same panic reaction. You can see that Amygdala is only a tool. It is working off instructions from memory in the form of core beliefs. You need to find the core beliefs that are giving it the unwanted instruction. And they can be a long way back. Back to as far as getting stuck by a pin and having other situations reinforce it. 
The program will teach you how to challenge unwanted thoughts so you can do this. So all the above wasn't necessary to know, it just gives you the how and why so you have a reason to do the program because now you can see how it works and know it can work. 

Davit.
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Julian

When you are a very little boy the first memory you use is amygdala's. When mommy smiles and coos at you all this information goes to Hippocampus which amygdala plural are attached. Amygdala says nothing to fear here so hippocampus passes it on to hypothalamus and hypothalamus stores it in memory there. It also back feeds it to Amygdala as nothing to fear as an update. This is the beginning of core beliefs. Now if mommy is changing you and sticks you with a pin. Amygdala is going to register that as pain and something to fear. If nothing is done it would get registered as getting a diaper changes is to be feared and a core belief would form. But mommy says sorry baby and smiles and amygdala passes it on to hypothalamus as a fact instead of an instruction and you store it as something that can be a concern in amygdala's memory but in hypothalamus's memory it gets stored as two facts, it hurt but mommy made it okay. It gets back fed as a fact but not much of a fear but now you will understand about sharp objects. And this is the core belief you build, a fact one not a fear one. Amygdala now know about sharp object. 
Now imagine if mommy shook you and said don't be such a baby, it didn't hurt. Amygdala would associate diaper changing and mommy with pain and you would build a core belief fear of sharp objects and a distrust of people that are not consistent. If it is a one off situation future back feeding as up dates can remove it by burying it and all is okay. Which is why we can tolerate bad things happening if they are not consistent. Core beliefs start as core thoughts and don't become core beliefs without consistency. A one off trauma can form a core if memory has something to feed it.
So amygdala learns by association, hypothalamus learns by observation and acceptance. Acceptance makes something appropriate and your brain works with appropriate. It does not matter if it is right or wrong or negative or positive as long as it thinks it is appropriate to the situation.
Say something scares you, hippocampus which discards a lot of perriferral information can't discard this. Amygdala looks for a similar situation in it's memory, decides if caution is necessary or panic. If it is just a noise then it sends this instruction to hypothalamus and hypothalamus searches its memory for what it knows or did last time and back feeds to Amygdala that this is either dangerous or of no concern and this gets updated in Amygdala's memory. But if it was a car bearing down on you amygdala would instruct hypothalamus to react right now. Panic but safety also hopefully.

Posting so I don't lose this.
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Thank you for welcoming me to the group, 

Please do go into further detail because I believe I haven't researched enough on this fear response from the brain topic. The information about the amygdala I have used came from anxietycoach.com. I will post the section and link source below. 

"It Learns by Association, not Reason or Logic

When you run away from whatever the apparent danger is, the Amygdala stands down and goes back to quietly watching. If you ran away from a mugger, that's a good thing. But if you ran away from a grocery store, or a dog on a leash, that's a bad thing. Now your Amygdala will be conditioned to see the grocery store or the dog as dangerous, and will make you afraid next time you see one.

The Amygdala learns by association. It associates the crowded store, or the dog, with danger. It doesn't learn by conscious thought. This is why you can't simply talk yourself out of a phobia or anxiety attack. The fear memory is stored as a conditioned fear, and can only be relieved by more conditioning, not discussion or reason."

http://www.anxietycoach.com/exposuretherapy.html

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Welcome.

Amygdala has it's own memory separate from all other memory and all it does is decide if the trigger will cause contemplation or panic before sending instruction to Hypothalamus for a reaction. Do you know how  this works from this point on. If you do then it will make doing the program easier but isn't necessary. All knowing does is give you a good reason to do the program.

Davit

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