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Fran,
 
Welcome to the group.  I have read your post here and your post about mornings.  I find your ideas very refreshing and helpful.   I tried your technique for getting to sleep and I got a very good nights sleep last night.  I really like your way of making lists of positive things to tell you mind.   I am looking forward to reading more of your posts.  I am sure there is much I can learn from you.  I am so glad you are here with us and that we can all help each other on this journey.
 
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Hi Davit, just a quick note because I have a couple of errands to run and have to go out.
 
I think you are a very brave person and also very inspiring.  I'll definitely read your latest blog post.  I am very glad you're feeling happier!  It's great when things are going well and I think you are right that letting time pass is probably key. 


 
 
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Hi Fran

How can I explain this? Just shy of two years ago I finally stopped Ativan after being on it for more than four years. There were some bad times but I stuck it out. Then I shattered my femur and spent around 4 months in the hospital. Six months after I got home I discovered I had Staph again. Back to the hospital for six months. Four of them I couldn't even turn over by my self and never got out of bed. When I could finally stand I got sent home with morphine for the pain. I could hardly walk. I got suicidal. My therapist arranged for my psychiatrist to send me to the psych ward for a rest. And we tried an SSRI again. I react badly to them. The psych ward is a pleasant home like setting with about twenty other people. You have to make your own bed and do your own laundry and eat with other people. Just like home except the doors are locked and you have to sign out. You can go out but only for fifteen minutes at a time.
I have been home now since June. I came home a mess. I have some valium for emergencies and take around one a month, mostly because I don't sleep much and it adds up.  ( my arthritis doesn't allow me to sleep for very long) So you see it has only been in the last few months that I have started to make huge leaps and bounds. It is scary. I was not expecting to all of a sudden start to live normal I thought that learning to cope was all I could expect to get. I have fought anxiety all my life. I don't think I can get rid of panic but I do think I can make it so mild it doesn't count. I think I have a system that works. It just needs time. Who knows maybe one day I can be totally panic free. I am close I just have to work on the triggers. The thing is, if I can do it then so can anyone who will stick with it. That fear of being happy is a tough one though. I'm not used to being this happy. It scares me. I want it but not if I just have to give it up again. I will not let panic rob me of this life I now have. It is going to be a fight but it is worth the fight. Wish I could have done this fourty years ago.
You are so right about the engine oil. Anxiety contaminates every thing it comes in contact with if you let it. 
Have you read my latest blog.  "it doesn't matter if I panic, I can cope"  I didn't have to learn this thing it just came as a bonus with the positive thought. The blog is - full blown panic attack I think. See it is so far out of my mind I can't even remember what I called it.

Davit.
14 years ago 0 7 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Josie, nice to meet you.  I've written heaps of first posts and deleted before putting them up so I guess this was a first for me.  I am determined to move beyond where I am.  If I can enjoy the small moments even when something big and bad is going on in my life, then that is success for me.  If I can move towards my goals, even when something bad is in the background then that is even better.
 
Davit, I hope your panicky moment passed OK?  It sounds like you have made some huge steps forward over the last  couple of years.   I think to go from calling the hospital to having a cup of tea is major progress!  It shows how much more control you've got over your thoughts and how much less control they over you than before.  I read in a book today that setbacks are an integral part of getting better.  It gives you a chance to practice.  Also, it helps us to realise that 'it doesn't matter if the anxiety happens again, I can cope'. Easier said than done, if you ask me, but I guess it's wise advice and all.
 
I have been thinking about the 'being happy is just tempting fate' negative thought and more and more I reckon it's because anxiety is like slime, or grease, or engine oil, or something like that.  Have you ever got engine oil on your hands?  Next thing you know it's on the tablecloth, on your clothes, or the taps, or the washbasin, all over the furniture, on the dog.  A little bit of engine oil goes a long way.  It's the same with anxiety, you get it on you and next thing you know it's on everything else as well - including all the things that make you happy.  Maybe this is a strange way of looking at it, but it's sort of working for me.
 
I would have been back earlier to reply but I really crashed after talking to the doctor and reaction set in big time.  I have spent an awful couple of days worrying that they got the diagnosis wrong. Constant anxiety, couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, I somehow got into work but had to leave early because I kept crying at my desk which I think was putting my co-workers out a bit.  I can laugh at it now but it wasn't funny then. Hopefully I have enough of a professional image that they'll let this go as just 'one of those things that happen now and then'.  My boss is really supportive.  I think because he realises how much work he'd have to do if I wasn't around!!!
 
Finally this morning I spoke with the doctor again and she said that if there was any chance that I really had cancer and not something benign then I wouldn't be sitting here talking to her, I'd be in hospital recovering from surgery because they don't delay with things like that.  Which cut through all the anxiety in a way that 'there, there, it will be alright' doesn't.  I also got her to write down on a card the things I should read when I start having anxious thoughts and she made me answer 'what is the worst thing that could happen and then if that happened, what is the worst thing that could happen' over and over until I got to the very worst thing (which was pretty bad) and I realised that I probably could deal with it.  She also gave me a number for Lifeline (a telephone counselling service), in case reading the card doesn't work. 

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Fran,
 
Welcome and we are so glad that you posted with us! Thank you for sharing your story with us, as a matter of fact, thank you to you all for coming forward and sharing your experience.
 
This support is valuable to all and we can learn from one another.  I like Fran's idea of small happies to start, this is a great first step.
 
 
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Hello Fran

It is 5:00 A.M. by my clock. Which I think is 8:00 by this clock, and I can't sleep. I stayed up way too late and you would think that I could sleep and I am so tired. But I am agitated. The separation from my annoying brother is playing on me.
I know it was the right thing to do. Mental abuse whether from a relative or an employer is hard to live with. Every other time I have been the one to instigate peace and I am afraid I might do it again. Or this time he might and I might not be able to say no. Such unrealistic fears. But then that is what panic is, right.  "I know this will pass." "I know this will pass" "I know this will pass".  See even when you have it beat it still tries to get back in. There are too many years of negative conditioning. A year ago I would be up pacing and writing to get rid of the panic attack I would be having. Two years ago I would be taking an Ativan and phoning the Hospital so a nurse could talk me down. I have some valium still, but if I take it I will have a hard time staying awake during the day. I have a nice cup of Lemon Balm tea and I have taken 500 mg of calcium so I should calm in a few minutes. 
I figure with the trigger being my brother that this may hang around a long time, after all he is family. 
My other trigger is a dumb one. Every time I get feeling physically good I get anxious. That ridiculous fear of being happy. So put the two together and here I am, it's almost time to get up and I have had only a little more than three hours sleep. I managed to block one negative thought but not both. Actually I have a couple of other triggers also that I thought were mild, but maybe not. Maybe it is just the combination. Any way having wrote this down and having said that I won't let this little set back bother me then it won't. By rights I should delete this and just go to sleep but I'm going to post it so that any one having setbacks can see this is no big deal. Life was never perfect and I don't expect it to be now. (negative thought) Just like I think there will always be a few negative thoughts to deal with. (another negative thought).

Davit.
14 years ago 0 7 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Davit, thanks for the welcome and the suggestions.  I'm glad to hear you are getting better.  I have read many of your posts and they have helped me a lot.  I'm not sure if it helps you to know that you're helping other people you don't even know, but you are.
 
I agree about trying to find something good in every day. In the past, I used to get most of my happiness out of small things.  Like having a nice cup of tea, or sitting outside watching the clouds, or watering my garden each morning. I even like doing the laundry.  I like the smell of clean sheets, and how they look when they are all neatly folded up in the cupboard.  Just little stuff.  If I filled my days up with little things like that it made me happy, but lately I can't seem to take much pleasure in the things I used to do.  All the good little things seem to get overwhelmed and swamped by whatever is the current big bad thing. 
 
I was thinking of just doing the little things anyway whether I want to or not.  Approach being anxious about being happy as a kind of exposure. 'Being happy causes bad things to happen' is a negative belief to work on. If I list of all the little good things each day that make me think I'm tempting fate, then if a bad thing happens, I can look at all the dozens of little happy things and see how ridiculous it is that one could possibly cause the other and see how one list outweighs the other.  And I like your idea of thinking about the relief when the crisis is over.  Good things happen sooner or later.  Anxiety just tricks us into forgetting that, or not believing it at all. 

14 years ago 0 6252 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Welcome Fran.

I have that fear of being happy too. All my life I have been a day late and a dollar short. I don't know what the answer is. But it certainly adds to the anxiety. All I can do is tell myself it can't get worse but there are days when I'm not sure. Trying to find something good in every day has helped. Trying not to have negative thoughts helps too but some times they blind side me and I have to dig out the relaxation tools. I also tell myself  that I have lived through every other bit of crap thrown at me so I can live through this too. Lately I have been focusing on the relief I will feel when the crisis is over and that really helps. Helps a lot actually.

If you read between the lines in some of the posts you will see we are not alone. That is what I love about the posts, knowing I am not alone. And I am getting better every day.
Davit.
14 years ago 0 7 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I've been reading the forums and working through the sessions for a while now, but this is my first post.  It's a bit long, but getting it all out helps me feel better, so I hope you don't mind.  This site has helped me so much, especially things like the breathing exercises and challenging your negative thoughts.  Reading what other people are going through makes me feel like I'm not alone.  My anxiety isn't linked to something specific.  I've always had underlying anxiety that I try to manage, but then if something bad happens the anxiety suddenly becomes very difficult to live with until the problem is resolved.  I find it hard to cope with uncertainty.  Sometimes I get panic attacks but they are rare.  I had one earlier this year when on the same day I found out my sister was moving away and I had termites in my house.  I didn't much like being alone in my house for weeks afterwards but I had to because that's where I live - so I got over it eventually.  And I had one this year in a meeting at work, for no real reason at all, and then suddenly I was scared of meetings. 
 
I dealt with that one by doing breathing and positive self-talk and forcing myself to go to every meeting I could schedule. I started with short meetings, with people I knew and trusted, sitting near the door, and with the door of the room open, which worked pretty well. I was still anxious and wanted to escape the meeting, but I just sat there doing the breathing until the feeling went away or the meeting was over, whichever came first, and it worked.  Now I don't even think about it. 
 
As for the rest, I've had a lot of difficult things happen this year - money, health, family, job, house, car.  There hasn't been a single part of my life where everything was OK.  It's as if everything decided to go wrong everywhere all at once, and then it was one thing after another and just didn't stop.  Most of the problems have been resolved but took a lot of energy and time and money.  For a big finale, the whole year was topped off by this last week, which I spent trying not to worry about having cancer.  It turned out to be a benign lesion which is a relief, but I still might need to get it removed, just to be sure.  I'm seeing the specialist next week. 

Anyway, the main problem I have now is that instead of anticipating good things, I wake up every day dreading what is going to happen next.  I feel like I'm sleepwalking through life, just waiting for the next crisis to appear so I can deal with it. It's almost like dealing with crisis after crisis is my new purpose in life.  I'd prefer something more positive.  I tried to set goals and do pleasureable activities over the last year but got discouraged because something else bad always happened and I had to put my energy into that.  I feel like if I have hopes and dreams, or if I pray and am grateful for the things I have, or I go out and do things to make myself happy, I'm tempting fate and something bad will happen to me - not straight away but in a couple of days or weeks.  I'm really, really wary about letting myself feel happy.  I know it's totally irrational but it seems I've made a link between my constant attempts to keep my spirits up, and a string of unhappy things that were happening around me.  I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions on how to deal with anxiety about being happy?  I know that's weird but I am stuck and confused about where to go from here. 

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