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Hahha Thanks for the tips Ben. Though I’m not exactly the thrill seeking type! However I do know what you’re driving at..ha ha.pun intended. I’ve had a couple of panic attacks behind the wheel. I just pull over and wait for the anxiety to pass. Generally I’m pretty focussed behind the wheel though and I love driving too. Getting your mind off the anxiety truly is fantastic though. Especially when you prove to yourself that being excited and having a good time doesn’t have to bring on an attack. I get a big thrill much the same way you do with driving, from listening to music and jumping around the house like a nutter. It’s great because you prove to yourself that being excited and experiencing the physical changes from exercise doesn’t mean you’re going to have an attack. That the same sensations can feel really positive!
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(small note to Ben: Remember that this is a panic site. Careful about giving advice about high-risk activities, ok?)
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easier said than done, sky. i dont know how to go about changing back brain chemistry.. just.. push on through i guess. Try to get out and hae a good time some times.. BIG TIP>> what i noticed is that when i barrel down the road in my big ass cadillac i get all psyched up and ther is almost no dp. I bet if i had a motorcycle.. it would definately remove the dp.. I just know it. High thrill activities are super for dp. Just be careful if you dont drive too well.. as for me i love transportation and driving, so t was always second nature. I cried a couple of times when i was off balance at my worst because i was getting panic attacks 15 minutes after getting behind the wheel. Now I dont panic, but still have latent anxiety and definately dp.. Fight it with high thrill activities if you can.. like riding a super fast motorcycle or jumping the surf with a sea doo. good luck and keep me posted. Ben This message was edited by am on 10-29-03 @ 8:24 PM
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Thank you for that post!! I’ve never looked at it in that way before. In the way that our brains are plastic and we can change them back. Proof again, that it’s mostly to do with attitude. Very reassuring, that Thanks again.
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Yes. I know how it feels to be off balance. I believe that the "feeling" in your head is depersonalization. MANY describe it as "I cant quite desribe it." For me, Id like to say that Ive seen the rabbit hole from a distance, but never really went through it. Still for us, its all mental. I think that this stuff takes time. remember people's brain chemistry changes if theyre depressed/panicy. If your brain has changed chemistry due to drugs or whatever, then being in a constant state of panic or depression wont help you get any better. I can see trippers of yester decade stuck in a rut of dp/panic and being told only that theyve messed up their brains for good.. when what theyre really suffering from is drug induced dpersonalization and panic and with enough time and conscious effort, theyll be allright (i hope!!) I talk to a psychologist every now & then and he is very(understatement) experienced with mind bending drugs. He says that although things like lsd and mescaline are not safe, the brain is so plastic that you can change it back (or to however you want it) after a bad trip. I think the thing we need to keep in mind is that its a mental drug, and a mental situation. weather our panic/anxiety/dp be caused from drugs or not is actually of not so much value..Drug induced long lasting neuro changes dont help, but what is important is the fact that all of in this room have been pushed to discover more about ourselves, what makes us nervous, how we feel and what we need. The ideal is to live through life and not worry about mental health. For us this is not the case. Life (and drugs for some) have done a wonderful job of offsetting out brains. It is very true in my opinion that people learn much better from pain then pleasure.. this condition (panic/dp) is our pain i guess and we have to learn more about ourselves so we can take control of our brains and not be scared of waking up each day (or evening). regards,
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You’re very welcome. What you said about the serotonin system makes perfect sense to me. Whenever I’ve had a panic attack I’ve always payed particular attention to the feeling inside my head. It’s hard to explain, though I think you’ll know what I’m talking about. You can sense and feel the chemical imbalance. I agree also with what you’ve said about the dangers associated with drugs. Loads of people do them everyday, but that by no means makes it safe. Ben, although you haven’t been exposed to as many intoxicants as a lot of others out there have. This does not mean your experience is any different. What I’m trying to say is that if ever anyone accuses you of being a hypercondriact. Or down plays your feelings in any way. Don’t let them. People have a tendency to brush off this sort of thing cause they’re not educated about it. Peoples attitudes toward drugs is something I feel very strongly about. Your strength of character and knowledge on the topic is a very positive thing. Take care, good luck and thank you!
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Yeah, I hear you. Ive never used any synthetic hallucinogen, nor mescaline. Ive never used any illegal drugs for that matter, just sorta got myself into a situation with a couple plant seeds that i ate under peer pressure 5 months ago. I think that all hallucinogens dull the serotonin filter system. They do something to the receptors that creates lasting effects, even if the user is unaware after the experience. How it relates to panic is that the experience alone can give you panic, but also a good post traumatic time as well.... ESPECIALLY if you were anxious before any drug use. I think that occasional (2 times a year max) hallucinogen use would be mostly safe.. EXCEPT for what it does to that serotonin system. It can leave lasting damage to that system that could take months or years to repair. And all the while your off balance youll probably be suffering from anxiety and depersonalization; and that certainly dosent help your recovery in and of itself. I think that the REAL dangers of hallucinogen use are just this: long term panic and depersonalization. I feel that in my particular case I have improved so well, but Im still DEFINATELY not mentally at my best. I have great hope that after I recover from my anxiety and depersonalization Ill be such a better person than i ever was. thanks for the post, Ben
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Ben, I’ve only just stoped smoking the stuff. It’s been about a month and a half now. I don’t miss it and I’ve no desire to do it again. It took a good two weeks for me to feel the benifits. I never was a big user of the stuff anyhow. On average I’d maybe have a couple of puffs about three times a week with mates. Over about a six year period. It just didn’t agree with me, and I never seemed to build up any tolerance. Plus I’m a small person so it didn’t take much to get me wrecked. Can’t believe it’s taken me this long to work out it wasn’t any fun! Same deal with alcohol, couple of sips and I’m drunk. Guess I’m just really sensitive to any intoxicants There was a time between 1996 and 99 when I was doing cocain. This was a bad time in my life, from which I’ve recovered. I did suffer from panic attacks during this time and didn’t know what was going on. Took me a good year to fully recover from that. Both mentally and physically. It’s only been since I gave up dope and had my first panic attack while sober that I learned what panic attacks are. Learning that simply giving up all hallucinogens, alone, won’t cure panic attacks is a real bummer to say the least! But it’s an excellent place to start and it certainly lessens the paranoia to some degree. I’ve no grudge against drugs or people who use them, it’s just not for me.
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sky, im curious. How long did it take you to recover after hallucinogen use? regards, Ben
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Steve, I know exactly how what you’ve described feels. Done it myself and also feel that doing drugs was one of, if not the worst mistake of my life. It most certainly brings on the panic attacks and if you don’t realise what you’re suffering from you tend to label it as a “bad trip”. Racing thoughts and heart freaking out in utter terror fainting, vomiting. Really is the worst feeling in the world. Just remember that no feeling has gone unfelt..That there really are people in the world who have been there. Most of my friends smoke dope and the second hand smoke gets a bit much to bare for me sometimes. Since giving up all the drugs, I’ve improved a great deal. I know how much it sucks, you feel like you’ve opened this door and you just can’t get it closed again. There’s nothing wrong or different about what you’ve described. I honestly know those experiences you’ve talked about well. Hope you never feel that way again!

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