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18 years ago 0 893 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I am also an NHS tax payer and do not agree that a doctor should withhold treatment. What about sportspeople who break a leg or racing drivers who have a crash?? I am a quitter and intend to stay that way but I will not condemn those who cannot stop at this point in time to no medical help when they need it. Anyway, the amount of tax they pay far outweighs the demands they ( and recently us!!) put on the system. [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 2/6/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 6 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 80 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �15 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 1 [B]Hrs:[/B] 5 [B]Mins:[/B] 17 [B]Seconds:[/B] 34
18 years ago 0 456 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
George Orwell. I believe that the doctor is overstepping his bounds. The doctor has no right to tell this man to smoke or not to smoke. The doctor can suggest that he quits but giving him an ultimatum is just wrong. What will be next.. only people who exercise twice a week will be treated. Doctors and government need to stay out of our personal lives and just do their jobs. Otherwise, George Orwell was a profit afterall and we all have a new enemy.. no not Bin Laden.. big brother. Knowing what is good for someone does not give you the right to impose it on them.. Christine [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 2/1/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 11 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 291 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $38.5 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 1 [B]Hrs:[/B] 5 [B]Mins:[/B] 37 [B]Seconds:[/B] 56
18 years ago 0 101 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I believe the doctor just has the patient's best interest at heart, (and probably is also worried about legal consequences should something go wrong). Further, it has been 2 years since the accident. One has to wonder whether he would be a lot better by now had he not smoked. I don't think This is not a question about discriminating smokers, it is about a doctor's concern for his or her patient's health. And if s/he has to go to such drastric measures to make this person realize how he himself is sabotaging his recovery, I would say more power to you, Doc. As far as surgeries for overweight people go: yes, some are denied surgery until they lose a certain amount of weight, because anesthesia would put additional stress on their already fragile health, and could eventually threaten on overweight person's life. And my answer wouldn't have been any different when I still smoked. I remembered getting mad at my mom for smoking right after she had a tooth extracted. Not the same I know, but still, why would anyone do this to herself? [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 1/17/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 26 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 537 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $201.5 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 2 [B]Hrs:[/B] 8 [B]Mins:[/B] 49 [B]Seconds:[/B] 8
18 years ago 0 254 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Cool post, rosie. Here's my 2 1/2 cents worth. I think the Dr. should document his/her observations on paper and get the snowmobiler to sign it - with the understanding that if this person continues to smoke, it may interfere with how well the surgery goes, and definitely WILL interfere with the healing process after. And that the Dr. will do his/her best to facilitate the healing and recovery process, but will not be held accountable if it is found that the snowmobiler is not recovering in a "normal" fashion (for normal read as a non-smoker would recover) We all know how it feels to be told by someone in the medical profession to stop smoking. I was told for the last 20 out of 22 smoking years to stop and never did. Just changed doctors. So I feel for the snowmobiler, who was merrily going his way when his life was flipped upside down.........and because we are all addicts, having someone "preach" at us to quit never works. Just makes most of us dig our heels in further...... [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 12/19/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 55 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 838 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $371.25 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 5 [B]Hrs:[/B] 1 [B]Mins:[/B] 1 [B]Seconds:[/B] 44
18 years ago 0 1079 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Let's see.... Bubba believes the Doctor can treat who he pleases. I agree, he does. But is it not the Doctors' responsibility to have the outcome of any surgery he performs have a good outcome. If not, doesn't he have a right to say no? I agree, he does. Shevie believes the doctor should comply with patients wishes and proceed. I agree, he should. But, if the surgery has a bad outcome, is the doctor negligent for proceeding anyway while knowing the risks. And what of the patients responsibilities to the doctor. Can this patient now sue? We know the doctor can't sue the patient for not heeding his/her advice. What about our governments role in this as brought up by Brent and Rachael ? Do we want them stepping in to decide who gets Health care? Shades of Big Brother. I know we all have different systems depending on where we live. Like Lady said, smokers can be blind to how our health is being affected by smoking. And deaf. We only hear what we want and block out the rest. Chris says a mouthful with .... Knowing what is good for someone does not give you the right to impose it on them. That can tie in nicely with what oinkoink2u says about taxes. Should some people be paying for others bad choices? Lots of great comments. I have learned lots. Mainly, just how smart and eloquent you all are. Boy, freedom of speech is great isn't it!! [color=Red]redrosie[/color] [IMG]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/saggysac/chat.gif[/IMG] [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 1/1/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 42 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,028 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $348.6 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 4 [B]Hrs:[/B] 4 [B]Mins:[/B] 10 [B]Seconds:[/B] 6
18 years ago 0 1079 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Everybody. I read an article in our local paper the other day and thought it may spark some interesting points of view. A 42 yr old fisherman was injured in a snowmobile accident 2 years ago. His leg was smashed quite badly and he isn't able to work. He is a 2 pack a day smoker for 30 years. (Boy,he started young) The problem now for this man is that he has received a letter from his orthopedic surgeon stating that he will not do any more surgeries on him unless.... Unless why? The doctor wants the man to quit smoking 2 months before and 4 months after surgery. The mans' response is " I have been smoking so long, I just can't quit." It has been known for a long time that smoking effects the healing process. This raises many ethical questions. Is it up to a doctor to decide who gets surgery? What about overweight people? Should they also be denied? What do you all think? And don't you think our answers may be different now that we don't smoke than what they would have been? Hmmm. [IMG]http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e58/saggysac/scratchchin.gif[/IMG] [color=Red]redrosie[/color] [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 1/1/2006 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 42 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 1,019 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $348.6 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 4 [B]Hrs:[/B] 3 [B]Mins:[/B] 18 [B]Seconds:[/B] 18
18 years ago 0 711 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I am also a UK tax payer and as an interesting thought..........does the doctor who is paid by the National Health Service have a duty to make efficient use of the money? It could be argued that treating a smoker is not........Hmmmmm! :quest: Brent [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 12/8/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 66 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 466 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �330 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 11 [B]Hrs:[/B] 2 [B]Mins:[/B] 22 [B]Seconds:[/B] 10
18 years ago 0 327 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
should we fire all the doctors who smoke!!!!!!!!??????????
18 years ago 0 327 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
just a thought, i thought it was doctors ethics or somthing to treat all as equall no matter race or cread or thoughs who can t spell!!! jan xxxx [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 10/13/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 124 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 3,111 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] �489.8 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 12 [B]Hrs:[/B] 2 [B]Mins:[/B] 40 [B]Seconds:[/B] 56
18 years ago 0 5195 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Ahhhh....another fine SSC debate is brewing...... [B]Hummmm... When I smoked my answer would have been[/b]: What the man does on his own time is his business and no one elses. No one has the right to tell another how to live their lives. The doctor doesn't have to treat him. I suppose he could find someone else to do it. Whether he smokes or not he is entitled to the best treatment possible. How can smoking possible affect the healing process. People are crazy! They want to blame every health condition there is on smoking. [B]Now that I don't smoke[/b]: My answer is the same except for the last few statements. Those have changed to: I can't believe that smoking really does affect every aspect of our health. Smokers are blind and I can't believe how blind I was as a smoker. Smoking has probably played a role in every single health condition I have ever had. I was lost but now I'm found...I was blind but now I see. Great post Redrosie :) [B]My Milage:[/B] [B]My Quit Date: [/B] 7/1/2005 [B]Smoke-Free Days:[/B] 226 [B]Cigarettes Not Smoked:[/B] 4,533 [B]Amount Saved:[/B] $791 [B]Life Gained:[/B] [B]Days:[/B] 19 [B]Hrs:[/B] 23 [B]Mins:[/B] 19 [B]Seconds:[/B] 51

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