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lulu Thank you. Do you know how much this comforts me? I so oooo ooo appreciate your experience. Thank you.
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Wildcat ... "Regardless of who has my back... I am still exposed." When I read that, it brought tears to my eyes. I so get that! I lived most of my life that way. The good news? It can change. I'm finally at a place where there are times and places I feel fully safe. Not always, but often enough to heal. I also identified with the "darkness" comment. I was also an abused kid and grew up to be like that myself. I spent years fearing my own darkness and part of my alcohol recovery centred around "no hitting" as well as "no drinking". That part of me shamed and terrified me. I had become the father I hated. I grew up being angry and aggressive. Out of fear, I attacked first. Just as an abused dog will bite any hand that comes toward it, whether to stroke or strike, I was like that with people. Of course it didn't show on the outside ... I was a happy party girl. You just didn't cross me. I guess in that way I can kind of identify with your father -- as I can identify with my own. My father beat us. Broken furniture, blood on the walls ... you know the scene, I'm sure. Your willingness to sit with his spirit and to sort through the feelings is brave beyond words. My heart goes out to you. I do believe, without doubt, that spirit lives on until the work is finished. When I found my brother dead, I sat with the body until the police, coroner, etc arrived. While I sat with him, I realized his body was empty, but the essence of who he was, his spirit, was there with me. It wasn't some abstract idea, something I could choose to believe or not ... it was as real as wind in my face. You can't see or touch the wind either, but you certainly feel it. My brother's spirit was like that. It was his need to tell me he was okay where he was. Without that I don't know how I would have got past the experience. It was as if he knew that and was making sure I was okay before he left the room. I still felt him around for a long while afterward. It was sad, but strangely comforting as well. Kind of like he was looking out for me, like I did for him when he was alive. So yes, I believe your father [b]is[/b] with you. And I believe you are accepting that offer to heal. Your words very much touch my heart. I don't know you, have only spent a short time here at the board, yet I identify so strongly with something about your posts. I'm one of the lucky ones who has been able to heal past the rage of my father. As DL said, those wounds go deep. My father is currently dying of cancer, in pain, alone ... and I feel tremendous sympathy for him. I put a lot of effort into keeping in touch with him and offering comfort when I can. That is so strange in light of the fear and hatred I carried for the man for so many years. What finally changed my view was some great counselling around family of origin work, my place in the family (caretaker), and how to reprogram my thinking to stop that knee jerk reaction to family. Once I managed to realize that I was working on old, automated beliefs, I one day looked at my father and realized he was a frail old man. To be honest, Wildcat, my first thought was, "****, I could take him now in a fight!". That doesn't sound very positive, but it was powerful for me. He could no longer hurt me physically. I extended that physical safety to mental safety. When he treated me badly, I told him not to do it. If he did it twice, I stopped speaking to him for a time. There is no way for me to have a healthy dialogue with my father. He's now sick, depressed and still an alcoholic. I am reduced to communicating on his limited level. That sucks, but it has worked. Over time he's finally come to respect me. It's so weird to have the power shift to me. And it feels so rewarding to have that power and to not use it against him. It heals me every time I could do some "payback" to my father but choos
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daily lamma, you know, that is why I am holding his spirit close. And I am moving past the anger and confusion NOW!!! :) I know why I am anxious and fearfull... i expect danger, i am conditioned to it... but i am moving beyond it now. And I believe that now that my father's spirit is no longer suffering and confused in his illness plagued body... he is giving me the love and support i always needed. It is one way to explain this period of mental movement and transition.
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Wildcat, Nobody should stand there and take abuse - when we were kids back in the bad old days, maybe we had no choice, but now we are adults and we have to tell the rude and obnoxious and the aggressive that we don't have to listen to their abuse, ever. I know that it's easier said than done when one is still rallying to the bell like a trained animal after years of training - but we really have to face the fear and stop others from riding rough shod over us... You are so aware of all forms of abuse perpetrated by others why can't you just say at the beginning of a string of abuse that you know that s/he is angry but that you won't be made a dumping ground for his/her bitterness and anger... that you are a mother and a wife and a worker and a homemaker, an educated woman who won't stand for abuse at all from anyone. It's your right and even your duty as a Mother not to be seen to take abuse from anyone. Nobody has the right to target you under any and all circumstances that you project... you're a human being with full civil rights under the law. Help nobody to "release" his/her anger on you because they are stressed or upset and not by something you've done to them... there is nothing cheaper in a human being than to tell another human being - especially not a child - that s/he is the cause of one's wanting to commit suicide... that is just despicable. Go stand at his headstone and demand an apology - preferably out loud... act it out for your own sanity.... you have every right to be in a rage that he could even think of doing that to you... Bipolar or not...
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awww gabs, you are making me cry...I have searching for safety for some 30-odd years. The one who blamed me was the illness. My father would yell at me "you are playing with my nerves. Do you want me to drop dead? Are you that stupid or just mentally retarded like you mother?" Gabs, we all love our parents. I think it is part of our genetic programming... born, see a parent, love it! Then there are soooo many issues that arise between us and them because that instinctual love and our judgements/reasonings clash. I love you but you did crap to me. Am I crazy to love a monster or am I too a monster? and it goes downhill fromm there. Yes gabs the road seems very long. But today I see I have done a few kilometers, and a bit of rest to watch the butterflies go by is well deserved! oups go to get back to work... see you all tonight...
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Wildcat, You have so much to face. Who blamed you for your Fathers moods and depressions? Thats a huge weight for a child to take on. You say that you can feel your grandmothers arms around you when you were in hospital. She obviously loved you and you her, so i assume that it wasnt her who blamed you. After all the sadness and physical punishment brought on you by your father, you sound as if you love him also despite your unhappy childhood. This is why you have so many questions for him to answer. Unfortunately you will only be able to look inside yourself for those answers. You have a very painful time ahead but you need to explore these thoughts to be able to move on. Try to see if you can get on the im to chat. Talk to DL. He is very wise and non judgemental. Or post your deep and darkest thoughts, they are safe here. you are safe here. we are here for you. x
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hi DL, I am afraid of the darkness (agression, anger and violence) that dwells in each person. i am afraid that when I open my mouth, when I take the initiative of doing something... it will be more than words I will get. I was the one that was subjected to the strap when my mother and her boyfriend had an argument. It helped him release his anger. My grand-parents and I were the one threatened when my father was suicidal. I was the one who was blamed for my father's moods and depressions rather than his bipolar disorder. all 31 years ago. I repressed that fear in order to be functional... but it colours all my world. regardless of who has my back... I am still exposed.
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I'd like to know what it is you're afraid of, Wildcat???
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Wildcat, do you want to go into the IM for a chat since we're both online now????
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hi DL, you are so right! Only,there is one 5 meter hole left in that feild. It is filled with fear.

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