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14 years ago 0 9 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Sorry - it looks like there's a maximum to the posting size, the editor doesn't tell you about.  Here's the second part of the post below... 
 
 
And to know, that even after all this trouble, all of these hurdles - my wife believes that I just 'gave up' on her, the relationship and myself.  It's heartbreaking.  But - all that aside, I WILL get better, I WILL keep looking for answers, and not for her, not for the relationship, but because *I* need to be better.  For myself, to make sure my daughters have someone to walk them down the isle if they get married, to have the opportunity to hold grandchildren and marvel at the innocence, and potential.  My mother died of cancer before her grand daughter was born - she never got the chance to hold her, to sing her a lullaby, to make her the most marvelous cabbage rolls this side of the Atlantic...  and if there's any way I can help it, I'm not going to miss that.  Any of it.  I don't know if I can hold on - but damn it, I'm going to try. 
 
Sorry for these long posts - but these are thoughts that I need to get out...  I need to make them 'real' by putting them down where someone, anyone, can read them.  Thanks for listening.
14 years ago 0 9 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
I'm in Canada, so, there are available options for immediate, what I would call 'emergency' needs - in fact, I could walk into the emergency room here and ask for help - and I'm sure I'd get it.  I had to take someone I was involved to the hospital, for suicide prevention once, so I do know the drill.  If it comes to it, I hope I have the strength to do it.
 
I've decided to wait on a Dr visit, until I've spoken with my counselor on Monday, and see what they recommend.  I made the appointment with my family doctor anyways, as a back up plan, but I would tend to agree with your assessment - regular family Dr's are generalists - I think I'm in need of a specialist.  That said, however, about two years ago, I did get a referral to see a psychiatrist - advised him that I have exceptionally unhealthy thoughts, regularly (at that time, once or twice a week) - and after an hour or so, he decided that at best, I was a little stressed, but otherwise fine, and not in need of treatment.  It was quite a blow, here I was thinking I was severely depressed - full of constant self loathing, a full and detailed plan on how to end my own life, appetite problems, sleeping problems - but, as it turns out I was "a bit stressed, but otherwise, okay".  Hard to reconcile the feelings you have, when the 'professional' tells you you're fine. 
 
In truth, it leaves you feeling like you were an enormous fool, and that you should just 'walk it off' already and quit whining about it.  Which, needless to say, had made it difficult to go back and look for additional help.  And I should be clear, this was a full PhD Psychiatrist - not a psychologist, or a councillor.  I had to wait nearly 3 months to get an appointment with him, and I saw his degrees hanging on the wall.  He told me he deals with "the mentally ill" and that I "wasn't that bad off, really, and didn't need any treatment" - And those are direct quotes, I remember them as if they were yesterday.
 
All in all, 'hopelessness' has been a constant companion through this process.  After reaching out again to a psychologist, and being regaled by the stories of her visiting her dying mother, and believing the spirit of her dead brother (who committed suicide) was standing beside the bed, full of remorse (I wish I was making that up), to confiding in a counselor that I had a phobia of confrontation, only to have them promptly get in my face (literally, inches from my face) and shouting at me (again, I wish i was making that up) to show me that what I felt was confrontation, wasn't what she thought confrontation was - and that I needed to clarify my statement.  Only to be followed up by another therapist who (after 2 whole sessions) advised me that I should go see a specialist, oh, and there would only be a 2-3 month wait.  It also wasn't covered by my insurance, and who wanted me (I kid you not) to try to balance myself on a ball, so she could see where the imbalance in my psyche was... 
 
All in all, a very difficult battle to even keep going back. 
 
I wont even get started on the HORRIBLE experience I've had with medication - sufficed to say far from merely not working, it made things significantly worse.
 
And to know, that even after all this trouble, all of these hurdles - my wife believes that I just 'gave up' on her, the relationship and myself.  It's heartbreaking.  But - all that aside, I WILL get better, I WILL keep looking for answers, and not for her, not for the relationship, but because *I* need to be better.  For myself, to make sure my daughters have someone to walk them down the isle if they get marri
14 years ago 0 1044 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Viking, it is typical. It's great that you are going to see your counselor quicker, he/she may be able to  refer you to someone else and also a psychiatrist.  In some situations they can really help get you in quicker.  My personal opinion is that if one has a mental illness one should be seeing a psychiatrist and not a general practitioner.  Psychiatrist are trained in medications, their effects, how quickly you can expect results, blah blah, it is their specialty.  However, I do agree with Arizona, I would go where I can get in quickly and something is better than nothing.  Your counselor can refer you to a psychiatrist.  Remember with therapist - one size doesn't fit all - in other words, just like the medication, give the therapist some time, but if you don't feel like you and he/she are connecting, ask for a referral to another one.  He/She should, as a professional, understand that sometimes that happens. 
Is there a comprehensive care center in your area?  Where I am from in the U.S., there are not-for-profit programs that are funding by state and federal government; operate on sliding fee scale and/or take insurance.  The one I work for also has a crisis unit, however, it is in-house treatment up to 8 days where a person is fully evaluated by a PhD level psychologist.  They can also refer you and/or may be able to get you to a psychiatrist more quickly.  Different states call them different things unfortunately.  Here it is called a comprehenisve care center. and each of those centers have their own name.
 
Okay, that's all I got....Wish you well, keep posting!  Look forward to reading the next one.
14 years ago 0 32 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Good morning Viking,
 
I totally understand because this happened to me and I've been and still am dealing with a similar situation.  It sucks.  I am so sad that my relationship ended and I've been dealing and sorting through my guilt and responsibility issues.  This program has really been helpful because it gives you the tools to do this.
 
When my depression got out of control I went to a walk in clinic.  I explained what was happening and they gave me a verbal test for depression.  They immediately prescribed an anti-depressant and referred me to a psychiatrist.  I then waited six weeks (this is very fast actually) and then he took over my treatment.  I think you should go to a doctor, any doctor, asap.  When I went, I brought a list of my symptoms and behavior.  This helped because I didn't forget anything when I was talking to the doctor.
 
Medication helps because it gets you in a place where you can do the work needed to deal with everything else.  Plus, the medication takes a long time to be effective, around 6 weeks, and that's only if the get the dose right the first time.  If they don't it's another six weeks etc...
 
Good luck,
 
A.
14 years ago 0 11214 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Viking,
 
The wait time for appointments can vary greatly.  Normally the longer time an appoinment may take the longer the wait time.  One month is certainly not unheard of and I am sure some members will say they have had to wait longer.
 
Going to a clinic may help, it is worth a try.  Your counselor may also be able to refer you to resources within your community.
 
Keep posting Viking!
 


Ashley, Health Educator
14 years ago 0 9 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Thank you both for your support, and words of encouragement.  I do intend to work the program, wherever it takes me.  I do have a follow up question for the group tho - I contacted my Dr's office today, and they advised me that the first available appointment is over a month away.  There are almost always 2-3 week waits to see my Dr, and I've got two questions for anyone who cares to answer...
 
1) Is this a 'typical' wait time?  Do you all have similar stories, or is it faster in other parts of North America...?
 
2) Should I visit an after hours medical clinic instead of waiting the month+ to see my family Dr?  Would they provide any more 'immediate' answers and medical help?   I've got an appointment with a counselor on Monday, which is very quick - but I know that they won't be able to prescribe any medications, should they feel it necessary, and I have my doubts that counseling, even this program will be sufficient on it's own. 
 
Any advice?
14 years ago 0 11214 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Viking195,
 
Thank you for sharing this with us and thank you for having the courage to be honest.  I am sorry that you are going through this right now, try to stay strong. 
 
Goofy is right. This program can help you.  There has been many studies done on this program proving it's effectiveness.  Work on the program, see your doctor and counselor and focus on getting well.  Even though this is a difficult time for you still try to focus some of your energy on trying to alleviate your depression.
 
We will be here to support you every step of the way.
 


Ashley, Health Educator
14 years ago 0 1044 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Hi Viking195,  I often, as you will see, have lots of opinions.  Take it for what it is worth.  I think relationships are a  two way street.  You can not take all the blame for the failure or potential failure of a relationship.  You can see some mistakes you've made but you also listed some things where she made mistakes.  Now, I know that doesn't make it easier to deal with the fact your marriage which you value, may be ending.  But I think that it is important to acknowldge.
Relationships fail even in relationships where there is no medial issues (mental illness or otherwise).  You can't blame it all on your depression.
I think this program, working the sessions, will help you see that.  I hope you can take the time to do them, share with your therapist and your doctor that you are.  CBT, what this site is based on, is scientifically proven to be the most effective in treating depression.  You can do the research yourself, I'm sure the moderators can give you more information, I would be we can't post websites. 
Please come here, post often, work the sessions and we are here for you to listen, try to relate and encourage you along the way.  I do agree with your decision to go to therapy, the doctor and seek treatment, coming here as well.  I think you need these things despite what is occuring in your relationship for yourself! 
Again, opinionated goofy, so take what is useful....leave the rest!
 
 
14 years ago 0 9 logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo logo 0
Tonight, my wife (we've been together 10 years, married 7) told me through tears that she's not sure she can stay in this relationship anymore.  She's got to do some soul searching, and she's going to reach out to a councillor for advice, but that our marriage may already be over.  I guess I've known for a while that things were getting bad, very bad in fact, but, I guess I didn't want to deal with the realities of loosing my family.  I assumed that there would be clear warning signs - and that I would have the insight to see them.  There aren't - and if there were, I didn't.
 
For some background, I've been suffering through depression for as long as I can remember, but over the past few years, it's been getting steadily worse.  I can understand how hard it's been for her, the constant irritability, having an apathetic lump of a husband.  In the throws of a depression, I've not exactly been romantic, or a great conversationalist - and for fear of being indiscreet, my depression has caused a considerable decrease on my libido.  But the really difficult problem/hurdle is that it doesn't matter what she says, if she's disagreeing with me - I immediately assume that she's upset with me, or that I've done something wrong... and intellectually, I KNOW she isn't.  The problem is that my response is an emotional one...  I FEEL like I'm the one in the wrong, and I can't seem to overcome it.  So, I back off, shut down, and start beating myself up (emotionally) for being 'in the wrong'.  And she feels like she's hurt my feelings - when in fact she really didn't do any more than respond with how she feels.  It leads to her not being able to be honest with me, the one person she should ALWAYS feel safe to be honest with, no matter what.
 
All that was for background - as I mentioned, tonight, she finally came out and told me she's considering leaving the relationship, and I'm approaching a full blown panic.  The decision to leave will be hers - and I can't say I'd blame her, at all, but I don't want to loose her.  I've told her that I don't want to loose her, that I love her, and that I'm sorry - and to her credit, she acknowledges my feelings, and appreciates my desire to keep the relationship together, but she's not sure she's got any fight left in her.  She needs to figure out what decision will make her happy long term, and which will be the best for her and for our girls. 
 
It's so difficult - and I want to be clear - her desire to leave is TOTALLY justified...  I'm surprised she hasn't left already, but, even before she came out and said it flat - I had made an appointment with yet another counselor, and decided that I'll be calling my family Dr tomorrow, to see about medication, or some other treatment options - but, it may be too little, too late, to save my marriage. 
 
And it's breaking my heart to know that *I* caused this.  Because I didn't fight harder earlier, because I gave up after a few councillors, and one trip to my Dr.  Because I didn't fight as hard as she's been fighting all this time, I may loose the ONLY thing in this world that brings me even a hint of joy. 
 
Take my advice - if you're here, looking through the forums, tell your significant other that you love them - right now.  And do it often.  Tell them that you appreciate their situation, and that you are thankful for their patience and understanding.  Realize, that even when they're not the most supportive, it's hard for them too - depression is hard on your SO.  It's hard to watch someone you

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