I know. I have seen the distruction in my own family. I had a few AA members 12 step my brother-in-law few months before his death. Unfortunately he just scoffed. Within few months, his body collapsed and I heard just few hours before his death, he cried out loud for help, unfortunately it was too late. Like the big books suggest, we will have better chance when the candiate is somewhat in a depressed state after a binge. And even then, chances are slim, its a inside job, the desire to recover must come within.